Dondelta, Ithink that the 2.8 yammy is a good move, more weight than the 2.4, but more grunt and if you are using the the van for living off the grid, you can live that life of luxuary, I believe that is the reason we buy Kedron. My days of laying around on the ground, ended many years ago, Enjoy life and the comforts you have earned. Cheers, Tom and Jackie. :biggrin: